The Scream Murder - Cassie Jo Stoddart

Suzanne: Warning. This episode may contain graphic and disturbing content listener discretion is advised.

June: Hi, y'all and welcome to crime with my coffee. I'm your fabulous hostess with the mostest, June.

S: And I'm Suzanne. We're gonna tell you some stories you've heard. 

J: Some you haven't

S: and some you'll wish you hadn't 

J: all with a Texas twang. 

S: Today’s good mood is brought to you by the Folgers in my cup. Brewed it in my big old coffee pot and I mixed it with some sugar and some good old original Coffee Mate creamer.

J: Okay I wasn't so, um, I didn't make a full pot. I - I'm not gonna lie. I kind of cheat when I do mine. I buy a lot of the K cups so I do I do have k cups. I'm actually doing a hot  chocolate 

S: Oh, I can't wait till next week when it's cold as crap. Alright, so today we're gonna jump on in to the Cassie Jo Stoddart murder which has also been dubbed as the Scream Murder. So it happened in a town called Pocatello, Idaho. It's located in the southeastern part of Idaho. It was founded in 1889 and was known as the Gateway to the Northwest. Then came the railroad and it became a community - trade center and transportation hub and all that good stuff. According to the 2010 census, the population was just over 54,000 and just over half of that, were Mormons.

J: Wow.

S: It has home to the Pocatello Women's Correctional Center and Idaho State University. And it was featured in Season 4, Episode 3 of The Great Food Truck Race and was aptly named Potatoes in Pocatello.

J: Oh, sweet.  That sounds nice.

S: I thought that was kind of nifty. So a little bit about Cassie. She was born December 21, 1989. She was the middle child. She had an older sister, older than her by six years, and a little brother who was about a year and a half younger than her. Her brother has been quoted as saying, "Cassie was always the headstrong one out of all of our siblings. She was the one I always looked up to, even though she wasn't the oldest one." Her uncle, Frank Contreras, I think is how you say it, is quoted as saying, "Cassie was a good girl. She didn't drink or use drugs and she was a straight A student. She was responsible." She loved to draw and she loved music. At the time of her death, she was a 16 year old junior at Pocatello High School, and was dating a fellow classmate whom we'll call just Matt. After graduation, she planned on going to college and getting started on her career. She was torn, however, between becoming a prosecutor or a vet.

J: Well, that's a big leap in between both of those but you go girl! 

S: Right? She was currently saving her own money to buy herself her very first car. 

J: Been there, done that. 

S: So on Friday, September 22 of 2006 Cassie's mom dropped her and her boyfriend, Matt, off at her aunt and uncle's house on Whispering Cliffs Drive on the north end of town in Pocatello. She was going to be house sitting for them, and their almost two acre property while they went out of town for the weekend.

J: Nice. It sounds nice.

S: I know. Like I've looked at pictures of this on Google Maps, and I've gone to the Street View. I don't know. I'm kind of a creeper, I guess. It's actually really nice looking house and nice little like, property. Like that would be so cool to live so far out there. I think. 

J: Yeah.

S: Um ,at seven o'clock, her friend Torey was gonna go pick up his friend Brian, and they were going to come out and hang out for a little bit. About half an hour later, Torey calls to get directions from Cassie. And then a little bit later he called back because he got lost. Now, remember, this is in 2006, so not everybody had GPSes in their cars. We didn't have smartphones. The iPhone hadn't even come out yet. 

J: I don't think so. 

S: I mean, the most fanciest phone you're going to get is maybe the Razor Edge, or not Edge but the Moto Razr, flip phone. 

J: Yeah. 

S: Yeah. Anyway, so Torey called back and got directions from Matt. Torey and Brian got to the house at about 8:30 at night. They took a quick self guided tour through the house. They're just like running all around the house looking at all the rooms and everything. And then everybody settles down to watch Kill Bill Volume Two.

J: I’ve never seen that.

S: You’re not missing anything. 

J: Okay. Good. 

S: Although my husband might divorce me if he ever hears me say that.

J: Won’t tell him. 

S: Yeah, don't tell him. Anyway. So a little ways through the movie, Brian went down to the basement to play on the universal gym that like everybody had in their garages at this point in time. And Cassie went down a few minutes later because she didn't trust him because she said he acted like a two year old. Then Matt came downstairs and everybody went and got a popsicle and went back to watching the movie. About halfway through the movie Torey and Brian decided they weren't really having it, they were going to go to the movie theaters and said, instead and see something else. So they left about 9:45 or so. About 15 minutes later, so about 10 o'clock at night, the power went out to the house. Matt and Cassie are kind of creeped out. But before they can get up the nerve to go down to the basement, the power comes back on, you know, live in or they're not living but they're  out in the middle of nowhere, you know, winds could have blown wonky I guess maybe I don't know.

J: And I bet it would be really dark that far out, on two acres. 

S: Yes. Yes. So anyway, so Cassie asked Matt if he could stay the night with her because she was kind of creeped out. And so Matt calls his mom and his mom was like, No, I got a surprise for you, but Cassie can totally come stay with us, you know, since since she's creeped out and such. Well. Cassie was like, mmm, no, I told my aunt and uncle that I would stay here at the house with their animals and watch their house and their animals, I've got to do what I said I was gonna do. I'm sorry, I appreciate the offer. But thanks. So Matt called Torey and told him he had to go home because he wasn't gonna be able to stay the night with Cassie or Torey because his original plan was to go stay the night at Torey's house with Torey and Brian. Well, Torey was whispering on this phone call, and Matt was having kind of a hard time hearing and Torey was like, dude, you know, we're at the movies. I can't really talk. I have to whisper you know, so we don't get kicked out of here. So about 10:30, 11 o'clock,  Matt's mom comes and picks him up and takes him home. And she was like, Cassie, are you sure you don't want to come stay with us tonight? And Cassie was like, you know, I'm sure I'll be fine. I'll be fine. So Saturday, Matt and Cassie's mom are both trying to call Cassie on the phone, but they're not getting an answer. They're, they're - neither one of them are really too concerned about it because she is watching this house on two acres with multiple dogs. Sunday, September 24, 2006, the Contreras family comes back home from their weekend trip to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Uncle Frank opened the garage door and noticed that the doors to the furnace and water heater rooms were open, which was kind of weird. So he's taking you know, he's unloading the car, and he notices some broken glass at the bottom of the stairs and a dog comes running out of the master bedroom, which is located in the basement in this split level home, which was also odd because all the dogs should have been kenneled out back. Well, his 13 year old daughter, whom we'll call Mary, went inside, put her bags in a room and then was going to go hang out with Cassie because they figured she was watching TV in the living room and just hadn't heard them pull up. 

J: Right. 

S: And so she's heading to her room and she's like, you know, the house smells kind of weird and funny, but figured it was you know, the dogs that had an accident somewhere and, you know, wasn't too concerned about it. So she drops her bags off in her room, heads to the living room where she finds her cousin, Cassie, on the floor, covered in blood.

J: Oh, no.

S: She runs downstairs to Frank and she said something's wrong with Cassie. So he runs up the stairs and finds her and yells to his wife, Allison to call 911. So the cops show up a little bit later and realize that Cassie had been stabbed several times, and one of her fingers had almost been severed in this attack. They interviewed the Contreras family. And Cassie's mom, Anna, who showed up because she still hadn't been able to get hold of her daughter. So she started driving over there. And when she got there, the cops were there and nobody would let her in or anything so they're they're interviewing her as well. Which leads the cops to her boyfriend Matt being there Friday night, which was the last that her mom had heard from her. So the cops go over to her boyfriend's house and they interview him. They're they're not really ruling him out yet. They feel like he's being kind of unemotional considering that they just told him, Hey, we just found your girlfriend all stabbed to death and dead.

J: He’s probably in shock, I would think.

S: That’s kind of what I'm thinking. That on top of the fact that he's 16, 17 years old. So, you know, are they even gonna react in a way that you would expect someone to anyway? 

J: I wouldn't think so. Not at that age. 

S: I wouldn't think so either. No. But in talking with Matt, they learned that Torey and Brian had been at the house Friday as well. So Torey is interviewed at his house. He said that they showed up to the house for a party that they had been told was going to be there, but it turns out that there wasn't really a party. So he and his friend Brian decided they were going to go to the movies. But he couldn't describe the plot of this movie that they went to go see and when the detectives were asking him about it, and but he said you know that after the movie, he and Brian went back to Torey's house to stay the night. Well, when Brian was interviewed for the first time he basically had the same story as Torey. That rhymes and was a little wonky to say.

J: You’re a poet and didn't know it. 

S: Yeah. Brian also couldn't explain the plot of the movie that he and Torey had gone to see. Tuesday, September 26, 2006 is Brian's second interview with police. He stuck to his original story. Cops were like, dude, we're not buying it. And Brian changes his story.

J: Uh oh, not not a good sign there. 

S: No, no. He said, well, we really didn't go to the movie theaters and see Pulse. Instead, we were like digging through the parked cars looking for money and small items to steal. And I didn't want to tell y'all that because I didn't want to get in trouble for that. Cops still didn't believe him. Brian swears this is the truth though, the absolute truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So the police searched Brian's room. They found a knife sheath, but he said it belonged to a friend, and he's assuming the friend had the knife because the knife wasn't there.

J: Normally I think you keep those two things together.

S: I know my son and my husband do. 

J: Yeah.

S: So on Wednesday, September 27, 2006, Matt went in for a polygraph test. And it determined that he was telling the truth and he was eliminated as a suspect. 

J: Good.

S: That same afternoon, Brian Draper came in to talk to the detectives and tell them he was ready to tell them the real truth. So here's his third story now.

J: Mm-mm, yes.

S: In as many days. He said that he and Torey were gonna break in and scare Matt and Cassie. That Friday morning, they had been invited by Cassie, to show up at her aunt and uncle's house for a little get together. So they showed up about 8:30 or so, took a tour of the house. And while he was taking this tour of the house, he unlocked the basement door to make sure that he and Torey could get back in and scare them. They left about 9:45, drove down the street and around the corner, put on their costumes, drove back up to where the aunt and uncle's house was, parked across the street, put on their masks. They snuck into the master bedroom in the lower level, and they were making noise noises down there trying to lure Matt and Cassie down to the basement. That didn't work. So at 10:27 Torey called and talked to Matt, told him he was at the movies. So you know he had to whisper and hung up. Well, then they threw a glass ashtray at the stairs and started turning off the power to the house by flipping the breakers one by one. About 10 to 15 minutes of total darkness and then they started turning the power back onto the house by flipping the breakers, one by one. And then Torey and Matt talked on the phone again, but Matt had to go home. So when Matt left, Torey turned all the lights off and on and off again and then went upstairs where the dog was growling at him. So Brian says that they were afraid that the dog was going to give them away. But the dog ran back to the living room to be with Cassie, so they kept sneaking up the stairs. When they got up to the top of the stairs, Brian said Torey said hey slam the door when they were almost to the living room to really scare her. Then Torey went around him and heard Cassie say, who's there a couple of times. Brian said he almost answered, but then Torey went the rest of the way into the living room. Cassie was standing over by the couch holding the phone and uh said I don't know who you are, but I'm going to kick your ass Torey lunged at her and Brian thought that now the joke was on him, that Cassie was in on this joke, until Cassie let out a blood curdling scream that he said he would never forget. That's when he realized that Torey had for real stabbed her and Cassie was really hurt. Torey told Brian man you have to finish her off we have to finish her off but Brian said he turned around and ran and Torey came right behind him. They went back to the car, threw the knives and shirts and masks into the trunk and left and went back to Torey's house. They got there about 11:45 or so. And they were in the basement watching Saving Silverman until everyone went to sleep and then they came up with a plan to get rid of the evidence. They would put everything into blue plastic trash bags and took some rubbing alcohol. It was actually hydrogen peroxide. They were going to use the rubbing alcohol to burn it. And they left Torey's at about 1:30 in the morning. They drove to the convenience store and got a box of matches, drove to the hill of Black Rock Canyon just a little ways down the road, tried to burn the evidence. It wouldn't burn. They're using hydrogen peroxide. It's not gonna burn

J: They dumb.

S: Well, yeah, they are. Since it wouldn't burn, they buried the evidence and went back to Torey's and they got back to Torey's about 2, 2:30 in the morning. Brian swore they were not drinking, and they were not doing drugs. He thought they were just going to scare her. But then Torey killed her and he never touched Cassie. He told detectives that he had met with Torey just a little bit earlier that day and said, Hey, I'm going in to the cops. They want me to take a polygraph test. I'm just going to tell them the truth. Torey told him No, dude, get a lawyer. Don't take the test. That's what I'm doing. If you tell the truth, I'll kill you too. Oh, and yeah, so that's the end of Brian's third interview. At this point, he agreed to take them to the burned/buried evidence and he was then placed under arrest. So they go out to this place where they buried the evidence and the cops found dug up and found a blue plastic garbage bag, a small piece of black cord, a white and gray sock, two dagger style knives with sheathes, a silver and black handled knife with a smooth non serrated blade, a folding knife with a silver blade and black handle similar to a survival type knife. The blade nearest the hilt was serrated. Cassie's DNA was present on this knife. There was a homemade Sony videotape, which I got some sound clips and transcripts coming up on that. A box of matches, a melted brown bottle of hydrogen peroxide, a piece of partially burned notebook paper. Torey admitted that this had his handwriting on it. A partially melted multicolored mask, a red and white mask, which had Torey's partial DNA profile on it. A pair of black boots, a single black glove that had the partial DNA of an unknown male on it. A pair of black Puma gloves, partially burned and soaked in Cassie's blood, a pair of blue latex gloves. A pair of fingerless black Athletic Works gloves, a black Calvin Klein dress shirt, which had Cassie's DNA on the shirt cuff, a black Haggar shirt, which was partially burned. And then they went to talk to Torey Adamcik. They wanted his new statement. Torey stuck to the original story.

J: He dumb.

S: When the cops told him, hey, we've got witnesses putting you at this convenience store, right down the road from your house. He was like, Oh, yeah, that's right. Brian and I went down there for matches because Brian needed matches for his cigarettes. Yeah, and then we kind of drove out to Black Rock Canyon that night because we couldn't sleep but then we came back home and went to bed. Cops told him Well, we found that blue trash bag of evidence at Black Rock Canyon, buddy. And guess what. You're under arrest. At this point Torey shut down and asked for his lawyer.

J: Which you know. Okay, so yes, you're guilty, but I mean, you don't have to answer questions. You know, I I'm afraid if I was arrested, I don't have to talk to you. I want a lawyer. I would get a lawyer, too. Yes, I might look - 

S: Even if I was innocent. 

J: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I might look guilty but no, give me a lawyer because, yeah, no, I want a lawyer, too. I'm with him on that.

S: Me too. So Thursday, September 28, Brian is interviewed for a fourth time. During this interview, he eventually admitted that he had stabbed Cassie, but only like four or five times, and only after Torey absolutely made him do it. 

J: Oh, yeah.

S: So at this point, police were finally able to get the videotape put back together enough that they could watch and see and hear bits and pieces of it. They were really nervous about watching this tape because they were so afraid that they were going to see the actual murder on this tape.

J: Yeah - 

S: They didn't. 

J: Oh, thank goodness.

S: They did not record the murder. But it was still pretty frickin disturbing and frightening.

Torey Adamcik: There should be no law against killing people. I know it's a wrong thing, but - 

Brian Draper: Natural selection.

T: hell, hell, you restrict somebody from it, they're gonna want it more.

B: We found our victim and sad as it may be she's our friend, but you know what? We all have to make sacrifices. Our first victim is going to be  Cassie Stoddart. She's going to be alone in a big dark house out in the middle of nowhere. How perfect can you get? I, I mean like holy shit dude.

T: I’m horny just thinking about it.

B: Hell yeah.

B: Time is 9:50, September 22, 2006. We know there's lots of doors. There, there's lots of places to hide. I unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked. Now we just got to wait. 

- just killed Cassie. We just left her house. This is not a fucking joke.

T: I’m shaking.

B: I stabbed her in the throat, and I saw her lifeless body. It just disappeared. Dude, I just killed Cassie.

T: Oh my God!

B: Oh, oh fuck.  That felt like it wasn't even real. I mean it went by so fast.

T: Shut  the fuck up. We gotta get out act straight.

B: Okay.

June: Oh my geez.

Suzanne: Yeah, crazy, right? 

J: Yeah. 

S: That’s not even all of the recordings. That was snippets from four different recordings even though there were quite a few more recordings on the tape. Starting with that first bit, Torey and Brian are actually sitting in Torey's car and Brian is filming. The timestamp on the tape says that it's just after eight o'clock on the night of September 21, which is the day before the murder. Torey is the one that says, "There should be no law against killing people." 

J: I heard that. What a fucking idiot. 

S: ”I know it's a wrong thing but," and then Brian says, "Natural selection," and Torey continues on with, "Hell, you restrict somebody from it, they're just gonna want it more." 

J: Mm.  Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.

S: Not featured in the snippet Brian then says, "Exactly. Goodbye camera." There's a another portion of the video that wasn't featured in this snippet that is time stamped September 21 at 8:15 pm. Torey's driving and Brian is filming from the passenger seat. And Brian says, "We're going to go over to Cassie and Matt's house. If they're home alone, we're gonna," and Torey interrupts and says, "It's actually Cassie's house. Matt is there." Brian continues, "Matt is there. Sorry. We're gonna, we're gonna knock on the door. We'll see who is there. We'll, we'll see, see if their parents are home or not. If they're home alone, we will leave our way and then we will come back in about 10 minutes. We'll sneak through the door because chances are they're probably in Cassie's room. So we'll sneak in the front door. We'll make a noise outside." And then Torey says, "And Matt will come out to investigate." And Brian keeps on saying, "We'll kill him and we'll scare the shit out of Cassie. Okay?" And Torey was like, "Sounds like fun." And Brian says, "Well, stay tuned."

J: Oh my god.

S: Yeah.

J: Ugh, some people's kids. Ugh. Some people's kids. 

S: Exactly. The next sound clip is timestamped September 21 at 8:36 pm. Torey is driving again and Brian is again filming from the passenger seat and Brian says, "We found our victim and sad as it may be, she's our friend. But you know what? We all have to make sacrifices. Our first victim is going to be Cassie Stoddard and her friends. We'll find out if she has friends over. She's going to be alone in a big dark house out in the middle of nowhere." And he laughs and says, "How perfect can you get? I, I mean, like, holy shit, dude." And Torey says, "I'm horny just thinking about it." What? Gah!

J: Some people's kids, oh my God.

S: And Brian continued saying, "Hell yeah, so we're gonna fucking kill her and her friends and we're gonna keep moving on. I heard some news about," and here we're going to use the name Jane. "She's going to be home alone from six to seven so we might kill her and drive over to Cassie's thing and scare the shit out of them. And kill them one by fucking one. Hell yeah." And Torey chimes in with, "Why one by one? Why can't it be a slaughterhouse?" And Brian says, "Two by two and three by three because we've got to keep it classy." And Torey says, "Keep it classy." They continue talking for a bit more about good and evil and whether or not Satan is real and if they are good or bad, and then they compare themselves to famous serial killers. And Brian ends this section of the recording by saying, "Murder is power. Murder is freedom. Goodbye." 

J: I just don't know what to say. Eh, ugh. 

S: Yeah, so then there's another recording timestamped Friday morning, September 22 at 8:28 am. Um, a portion of the tape shows Brian walking down the hallway at Pocatello High School. Cassie is at her locker and Brian says, "Hey, look! It's Cassie. Hello, Cassie." And Cassie replies, "Hello." Then Brian laughs and says, "I'm getting you on tape, okay? Say hi please." And Cassie says, "Hi." And in another recording the timestamp reads September 22, at 12:10 pm. Torey and Brian are on the screen sitting at a table with books in front of them in what looks to be like a study hall class period at school. It was almost impossible to get a clear sound clip of this recording, but I was able to get my hands on the official transcript of it. Brian says, "Our plan is supposed to happen tonight. So hopefully Nothing will go wrong and everything will go smoothly so we can get our first kill done and started and we can keep going." There's an inaudible part and Brian then says, "Fucking crazy." Then Torey starts talking and says, "For you future serial killers watching this tape," and Brian laughs and Torey keeps talking, "I don't know what to say." Brian said -

J: I’m an idiot. 

S: I, I can agree with that. So Brian says, "It, it's really fun." And Torey says, "Good luck with that." And Brian says, "Yeah, good luck." Torey continued, "Hopefully you don't have to go through eight or nine failures like we have." Brian says, "Yeah, we've probably tried about 10 times but they've never been home alone. Soooo." And Torey says, "When they have their parents show up," and Brian said, "As long as you're patient, you know, and we were patient and everything paid off because our victim's home alone. So we've got our plan all worked out now. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry to Cassie's family, but she had to be the one. We have to stick with the plan. And she's perfect. So she's gonna die." Then something inaudible is said, "Probably. And we have a new victim now. Her name is," Jane from the previous snippet, "She's," and Torey interrupts and says, "She's just a bitch. So we got to kill her." Brian finished with, "She told me to be quiet and shut up. So now she's dead." 

J: Oh my god. What is fucking wrong with these people?

S: The note that Torey was writing during the course of this video is believed to be the one that was found with a partial that was found partially burned with the rest of the evidence and it's tough to read and make out but there were a few words that were still legible. A portion of the note that was unburned reads pretty choppy but the officials were able to make out "is home alone" "stop" "out the house" "runs into Torey" "we murder Cassie" "e is home alone" "ouse dot dot dot" "Brian chases her d" "her" and then it's "unclear plus unclear" "kill her" "if Cassie plus Matt come ho" "a noise unclear kill Matt plus unclear" Not looking too good for these guys. 

J: Not at all. 

S: Even without the videotape, this is not looking good for these guys. 

J: No no. 

S: In the third sound clip the timestamp on the tape says September 22 at 9:53 pm. It's dark and Brian and Torey are sitting in Torey's car. Brian says, "We're here in his car. The time is 9:50 September 22, 2006. Um, unfortunately, we have the grueling task of killing our two friends and they are right in in that house just down the street." Torey says, "We just talked to them. We were there for an hour but," Brian interrupts with, "We checked out the whole house. We know there's lots of doors. There, there's lots of places to hide. Um, I unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked. Now we just got to wait and um yep, we're we're really nervous right now. But you know, we're ready." Torey said, "We're listening to the greatest rock band ever," and Brian says, "We've waited for this a long time." Torey continues, "Pink Floyd before we commit the ultimate crime of murder." And Brian repeats himself and says, "We've waited for this for a long time." And Torey agrees saying, "A long time," and then Brian ends the recording with, "Well well stay tuned. 

J: Mm. Mm, mm.

S: And then in the next bit and, which is also the last sound clip, is time stamped September 22 at 11:31 pm. So that is an hour and a half later. Torey is driving and Brian is recording from the passenger seat and Brian starts with, "I," though some argue and say that it says we, I is what is listed on the official transcript. 

J: Mm-hmm.

S: ”I just killed Cassie. We just left her house. This is not a fucking joke." And Torey says,  "I'm shaking," and Brian continues, "I stabbed her in the throat. I saw her lifeless body. It just disappeared. Dude I just killed Cassie." And Torey says, "Oh my God." Brian says, "Oh, oh fuck, that felt like it wasn't even real. I mean, it went by so fast," and Torey says, "Shut the fuck up. We gotta get our act straight." And Brian replies, "It's okay. Okay? We, we'll just buy movie tickets now," and Torey agrees by saying, "Okay." Brian says something unintelligible and Torey says, "No." And Brian ends the recording with, "Okay, bye."

J: First of all, they're not real smart recording everything. Don't they know people are gonna find it?

S: Exactly. I mean, and this, these were found and put together and watched and listened to after they burned it. 

J: Not smart. They're not smart. 

S: So I mean, hello. So they were both arrested. 

J: Good. 

S: Obviously, and they appeared in court via closed circuit television. They were both charged as adults. The official charges were first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. 

J: Yay. 

S: Bail was set at $1 million each. They were both unable to post bail so they both sat in jail until they went to trial. Brian was tried first. His trial began April 11 2007, almost seven months after his arrest, and on April 17, six days later, and five and a half hours of deliberations he was found guilty on both counts.

J: Good.

S: Torey went to trial on May 31, a month and a half after Brian's conviction. On June 8, nine days later, the jury deliberated around seven hours and came back and said he was guilty on both accounts.

J: Yay.

S: Both boys were held over until their sentencing, which was August 21 of that year. They were both sentenced to life without parole for the murder charge and 30 years to life for the conspiracy charge.

J: Good, and that's still not long enough for them. This was their friend. What is wrong with people? 

S:Yeah, yeah. They both have appealed their sentences, but they were upheld. So they are still serving with no chance of getting out.

J: Good. I think the only thing they should be peeling is bananas or oranges. 

S: Or potatoes. I do like potatoes. 

J: Oh yeah, I love a good starch.

S: In 2010, the Stoddart family filed a civil suit against the Pocatello school district claiming that the school was negligent and should have known that the two boys posed a threat to others. Both civil and Idaho State Supreme court dismissed this case saying the actions of the teens were not foreseeable. Torey's mom, Shannon Adamcik, wrote a book, The Guilty Innocent. I've read it, I won't lie. I was looking for more insight and more things to include in this episode. But, ugh, she's got so much faith in her son, honestly that she can't see what is staring her right in the face. And I also watched a documentary called Lost for Life. She is in this documentary along with Torey, along with Brian, by the way, and seeing her in this documentary and reading this book that she wrote, this bitch is fucking crazy. She is 100% convinced that her son, Saint Torey, had absolutely nothing to do with this at all. 

J: Even though he's on camera, it's been filmed. It's documented with his writing. Oh, yeah. 

S: He had nothing to do with it. He - what was on film was they were making a pretend movie for their Movie Club or whatever at school.

J: You know, I understand standing behind your kids trying to, you know, have faith in them, but at some point you got to look at your kid and go, "You're a fuckup little shit." 

S: Exactly. Exactly. And and the kid, Torey, still to this day is like I didn't do it. Wasn't me. Brian, on the other hand, in in this documentary Lost for Life, he was like, yeah, we both did it. I helped kill my friend. I fucked up. I'm where I should be. 

J: Well, at least he's realized that. But oh, God. Yeah, ugh. I might have to check this documentary out.

S: Yeah, Lost for Life on YouTube is the only place I could find it.

J: All right.

S: But yeah, that is the sum of what has been dubbed the Scream Murder because it was reported that the boys took inspiration from the popular horror movie Scream when they were planning this crime.

J: Wow, wow, I just you know, I just can't understand why people see movies or things like that and go, "Oh, I want to do that." 

S: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, I don't know. I think they're crazy, I think. I don't know some people have said, you know, if they had never met then they neither one of them would have ever killed anybody.

J: That’s 

S: which may be true 

J: possible, but somebody had to have the idea to begin with.

S: And somebody had to push the other one. 

J: Yes,

S: because they didn't both just go. Hey, let's kill these people. Okay, sounds like a good idea to me. 

J: These are our friends. Oh, they'll be easy because they're our friends. 

S: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. 

J: Absolutely crazy. Ugh, ugh .

S: So but yeah, that's the Scream Murder, yo. 

J: My head is screaming that, damn. Some people's kids, I swear.

S: Couldn’t agree more.

J: Mm hmm. Good episode. Very informative. Makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes though. 

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